Curse

romeus petrus · Jul 01, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Morale of the story, I salute all players who still have honour left, we may be naive but we're men of our word.

Silly me, I thought the morale of the story was going to be don't do elite areas with pugs..

lord of all tyria · Jul 01, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Silly me, I thought the morale of the story was going to be don't do elite areas with pugs..

Well then, you were wrong weren't you.

Omnidragon42 · Jul 01, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

Making "honor" threads on guru is dishonorable.

I think what you're trying to get at isn't honor, but more not-being-an-asshat. I would say that I personally try to not-be-an-asshat to people, but 99% of pugs are asshats. It's the same as a person who scams someone for 1-2k on a run. Internet invulnerability, people will be jerks as much as they can.

R.Shayne · Jul 01, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

If the level of honor displayed in Guild Wars is our future, we as a race are so done.

Friend wanted me to running CoF over the weekend so they could make some money. Told everyone if anyone tried to scam at the end I would refund everyone’s money and leave. On our first run I completed the last group before the fire traps and noticed one person with Chinese character for a name was not with us. I ran back to him just so I could pull a group undead to him and the person starts running away (apparently just waiting for me to finish). Was hoping to get him to 60 dp then I could finish the chest and they get sent back to Doomlore when we leave. . I told the group the run was over and they can thank the person standing back at the start.

On the same day my wife, playing trader, noticed a player wanting to sell two stack of feather at 6.5k ea. She opened trade with the player and they put in two single feathers. She tells them that they had made a mistake and that was not two stacks. The player cancels trade then start to send insults because my wife had wasted his/her time.

I really hate saying this since I have friends in real life from other countries but ever since the walls have been let down the number of scammers I have encountered has increased.

IslandHermet · Jul 01, 2008, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by cataphract

I'll never understand the people who rage and refuse to share the cost of a con set in a PUG. I've been doing a lot of HM FoW runs lately, and had... colorful experiences. Groups which I organised had a tendency to be nicer, more enjoyable and more resilient than PUGs I joined.

Few days ago I joined a 5/8 guild group who was looking for 3 players. They wanted those 3 players to have con sets. The other two didn't have them, I had 3 and said "NP, I'll use them but would like people to chip in with 800g per con set". The five guildies concluded that "there's always a freeloader out for profit" and kicked me out of the group.

People like these are the reason I play PvE on American servers. Their logic always makes me lol.

About your post I know you only asked for 5.6k per set but what do people sell cons for in town 6-7k per set. How much does it cost to make, not a damn thing if you know what to salvage and what areas to farm (10 mins of farming in the right spots can bring in stacks of mats) so if you know these things and still charge for cons you are out for one thing MONEY.

I use the cons free of charge, no matter the length of what we are doing I will supply all the cons free of charge. (donations of money or mats accepted but never demanded)

I know no matter how many I use I will make more then enough money/mats to replace them and still have a nice profit to set aside for future use.

It fixes alot of useless arguing that comes with others those who think cons cost to much money or that other players should pay the full cost of the cons.

Gun Pierson · Jul 01, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Interesting so far. You clearly see which people know what I'm talking about and those that have no idea at all or don't wanne know, some even try to make it a joke. That's fine and sometimes even funny. Every circus has to have its clowns.

If I say I'm gonna put the cons up, I will put them up. It seems though a lot of players don't have honour and scam all over the place with cons, materials and what not, hence the title: Do you have any honour left?

Saying it's just a game is a an excuse to get away with that sort of behaviour, it doesn't really help the comunity or pugs in general. Some of you (yes Mr BlackSephir

) know how hard I debated in the '7 heroes' topic to get 7 heroes. Yet I'm still silly enough to pug and try and shoot the bull with a pug party, have some fun, but some of you are making that extremely difficult.

We have a saying here that goes something like this: Don't do something to someone else if you wouldn't like that to be done to yourself in the first place. I'm wondering what the English expression is.

If the concept is unknown to you, at least this topic will show you that honour (UK) is the same as honor (US), if you didn't know that already ofcourse.

SerenitySilverstar · Jul 01, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

I'm sure the Cult of Anonymity that people use for internet jerkish behavior could be simply solved with their game avatars actually being a digital represenation of that person ie: you get to see their face when speaking, they have to look you physically in the eye when they're being a dick/honourable/nice.

Real world accountability would solve all problems behind pugs.

Stuart444 · Jul 01, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I honestly don't know why people ask others to bring cons and will not buy the cons themself or use any sets they may have in storage.

It's just a game >_< I know I would use cons if I had to without asking people to pay whatsoever, afterall, it's my choice to use them.

meh, people take the game too seriously, it's meant to be for fun, it's not life or death

januscht · Jul 01, 2008, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Sometimes you meet a player ingame and you feel this honour.

i cant fell the honour but..... i feel the "chi" of other players, does that counts ^^"

seriously, if you are gona pug dont get surprised, ppl is not fair in the game most of the times, thats the why i never use the first con set in fow/uw runs etc

Ku Ku · Jul 01, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

During the crashing prices of the armbraces i ran DoA a lot on my monk, made some money and got my staff.... Recently i went back there on my Rit to get an offhand and to get my LB title up a bit... the change is astounding... Somewhere in the last few months people decided it was ok for the monks never to pay for a con set... to which i was confused as i always paid for one on my monk! And the amount of leavers, leechers and people who point blank refuse to pay for cons is incrediable, i lost more con sets than i can count to groups insisting i used first and the one time i dont is the time the whole party slanders me as a noob and rage quits!

Yes people are out to make money there but it shouldnt be at the expense of everyone else - especially when many of the players are so poor its a wonder they managed to get throught nightfall at all! I never managed to do mallyx without less than 3 attempts with a party XD

Sufficed to say i ended up quiting halfway through my farming and brough the rest of the gems i needed and went back to the much friendlier LB/SS runs!

BLAH!

BFG · Jul 01, 2008, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Clarissa F

Honor - honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's actions. the dictionary version, and what they taught in the Service. That fits well with what the OP did. He showed integrity in helping out the team as much as he could, though it cost him. He did it because, even though they may have been eager to bail out of the bargain, he kept his side.

Remember, it may be "just a game", but most of the time, the way people act here, they act IRL, or would if they could get away with it. Karma's a bitch.

Oh, to those who said the US has less honor...tell that to the French and Germans who discriminate against Muslims in their countries, the raiders in Darfur, the EU's racist look towards Turkey, the myriad countries raping the Congo, the Chinese with Tibet... the US isn't alone in this deficit. It's a HUMAN problem.

Well versed, I must say. The internet can most certainly expand your exposure to all facets of the human condition. Honor can be left to the discretion of interpretation, as what's honorable to one may be seen differently by another individual.

Did the OP do the right thing? Sure, why not? While I can't find fault in what he did, I don't see it as a commendable action either.

BladeDVD · Jul 01, 2008, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Savio

If I wanted to lock the thread, I would have done so already. I leave that task to another supermod, they've left enough threads for me to deal with.

The title and closing sentence talk about honor, but the majority of the post is about how two people refused to pay for a conset and how you were nice enough to use the conset anyway. Being nice isn't the same as having honor.

When he decided to not use the cons because others were saying he was a scammer, he acted honorably by returning the money to the players who had already paid.

When he used the Conset anyway, one could say he acted honorably by not accepting payment for the use of something he did not clear with the group first. I kind of disagree with this though, as I wouldn't consider it dishonorable to accept payments after the fact, only to insist on payment.

Savio · Jul 01, 2008, 11:06 PM // 23:06

Using consets isn't honorable; helping out the team is helping yourself, unless you want to try to convince me that monks are the most honorable profession. Returning the money is good and all, but the focus of the thread isn't the returning of the money, it's the usage of the consumables.

The Real Roy Keane · Jul 01, 2008, 11:08 PM // 23:08

There's no such thing as honour in a bloody videogame, there are just manners.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 01, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by SparrowHawk

That made no sense, regardless this is a game. I carry myself everyday with good morals, and they hold up in game or out.

I want bother responding. ::thinks some people really need a post count::

How so?

To be honest you are a hypocrite, because you did indeed respond. No one gives a damn about post count because they realize this is a game forum and that you shouldn't get too into it obviously you do because you bring up silly things such as honor. ::thinks some people need to realize gw isn't real life and need to get outside moar::

Gun Pierson · Jul 02, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

How so?

To be honest you are a hypocrite, because you did indeed respond. No one gives a damn about post count because they realize this is a game forum and that you shouldn't get too into it obviously you do because you bring up silly things such as honor. ::thinks some people need to realize gw isn't real life and need to get outside moar::

I'll respond, as it seems you failed to grasp that he/she wouldn't post anymore after the post you quoted, avoiding a flame war. It's the same reason why I will not go in a 'one on one' with you after this post either.

This is indeed a game forum. A game played by humans online with interaction doing missions, trade whatever. The game is part of real life as we use real time to play it on a real life pc, yet we play with our character in a virtual world. Your actions and deeds ingame are an extension of yourself unless you wanne roleplay as a crook for example. You're human so you have a brain which means you make decisions ingame just like in real life.

So you're saying if I go outside more, I can scam and do whatever crap to other players which indirectly has an effect on the comunity as players don't trust each other. Just forget about silly things like honour, it's just a game afterall.

Must be a fun game to play in if everybody thinks like you. They should design a 'Far West' mmo, where cowboys scamming, leeching and playing as dirty as possible are the way to go. Pew pew

Messy · Jul 02, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

We have a saying here that goes something like this: Don't do something to someone else if you wouldn't like that to be done to yourself in the first place. I'm wondering what the English expression is.

"Do onto others as you would have them do onto you"

I think finding honor in a game is hard but possible. I don't use the internet as a means to act any differently than I would in real life. I despise cheating, lying and scamming and I don't engage in those practices in game or in real life.

My word in this virtual world is as good as my word in real life, which I realize to most means nothing, but to me means all.

Gun Pierson · Jul 02, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Tx Messy for the expression and your input. You hit the nail on top there like some others did in their own way. Respect to you guys.

toastgodsupreme · Jul 02, 2008, 03:38 AM // 03:38

After having so many people rage quit for WHATEVER reason early on in elite dungeons, I NEVER am the first to use cons anymore.

Even my own alliance members have randomly ditched during UW and whatnot. So yeah. Good on you I guess, I just don't have the money to use cons first anymore.

Giga_Gaia · Jul 02, 2008, 03:29 PM // 15:29

Good on you TC, good on you. It's always nice to see that there are still honest people in this world.